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		By: Michael Storer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Storer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-8280&quot;&gt;Paul Griffiths&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Paul,

Nice to hear the boat has moved to fresher waters!!!  No hosing down after sailing!

Is the speech on youtube.  I&#039;d like to hear.

MIK]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-8280">Paul Griffiths</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>Nice to hear the boat has moved to fresher waters!!!  No hosing down after sailing!</p>
<p>Is the speech on youtube.  I&#8217;d like to hear.</p>
<p>MIK</p>
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		By: Paul Griffiths		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Griffiths]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 03:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael, 

Just wanting to keep you in touch with Gracious Me, the finest red GIS on the planet. She now lives at Yass NSW and will be sailed on Lake Burley Griffin and the Clyde River above Bateman&#039;s Bay NSW by our daughter Myffy and her beau. 

The Bilge Rat and I (+ victualers) have just returned from the UK (family wedding) and enjoyed the Beale Park Boat Show at Pangbourne, Berkshire UK very much. I made a first class speech at the wedding - just thought I should let you know.

Hope all is well. When are you coming to see us? Bilge Rat off this week for 17 days trekking with camels in the Outback. Give me water any day.

Best,

Bumboat Boy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, </p>
<p>Just wanting to keep you in touch with Gracious Me, the finest red GIS on the planet. She now lives at Yass NSW and will be sailed on Lake Burley Griffin and the Clyde River above Bateman&#8217;s Bay NSW by our daughter Myffy and her beau. </p>
<p>The Bilge Rat and I (+ victualers) have just returned from the UK (family wedding) and enjoyed the Beale Park Boat Show at Pangbourne, Berkshire UK very much. I made a first class speech at the wedding &#8211; just thought I should let you know.</p>
<p>Hope all is well. When are you coming to see us? Bilge Rat off this week for 17 days trekking with camels in the Outback. Give me water any day.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Bumboat Boy.</p>
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		By: Michael Storer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Storer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 02:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-4407&quot;&gt;Duncan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Duncan,

(Duncan is referring to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.woodworkforums.com/f169/sailcloth-choices-storerboats-homemade-sails-127918/#post1245302&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion about alternative sailcloths for homemade boats&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5127/5239952266_f40cd670f6_z.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Alternative cloths for cheap home made sails&quot; /&gt;

I think you would have to check with Peter Hyndman.  My guess is that the &quot;cloth&quot; is too heavy for boats of our size.  But I am interested in the report as well.  Do you have Peter&#039;s email still?  Tell me if you havent and I will send.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5002/5239354237_2d23e3a1b1_z.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;sail cloth alternative for cheap sails. plastic with glassfibre scrim&quot; /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/boatmik/sets/72157625420284887/with/5239354303/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/boatmik/sets/72157625420284887/with/5239354303/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-4407">Duncan</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Duncan,</p>
<p>(Duncan is referring to the <a href="http://www.woodworkforums.com/f169/sailcloth-choices-storerboats-homemade-sails-127918/#post1245302" rel="nofollow">discussion about alternative sailcloths for homemade boats</a></p>
<p><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5127/5239952266_f40cd670f6_z.jpg" alt="Alternative cloths for cheap home made sails" /></p>
<p>I think you would have to check with Peter Hyndman.  My guess is that the &#8220;cloth&#8221; is too heavy for boats of our size.  But I am interested in the report as well.  Do you have Peter&#8217;s email still?  Tell me if you havent and I will send.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5002/5239354237_2d23e3a1b1_z.jpg" alt="sail cloth alternative for cheap sails. plastic with glassfibre scrim" /><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/boatmik/sets/72157625420284887/with/5239354303/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/boatmik/sets/72157625420284887/with/5239354303/</a></p>
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		By: Duncan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 07:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Mik,

Did you ever find out how that Bunnings clear/glass reinforced &quot;sail material&quot; from the Toowoomba boats went?  

Duncan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mik,</p>
<p>Did you ever find out how that Bunnings clear/glass reinforced &#8220;sail material&#8221; from the Toowoomba boats went?  </p>
<p>Duncan</p>
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		By: Michael Storer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Storer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3695&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Glad you found it useful Robert!

MIK]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3695">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Glad you found it useful Robert!</p>
<p>MIK</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3660&quot;&gt;Michael Storer&lt;/a&gt;.

Appreciated your reply, helped correct my thinking...

Robert]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3660">Michael Storer</a>.</p>
<p>Appreciated your reply, helped correct my thinking&#8230;</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		By: Michael Storer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Storer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 00:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3658&quot;&gt;Robert Troff&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Robert,

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/design/beth-sailing-canoe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BETH the sailing canoe&lt;/a&gt; is too narrow to make a good rowing boat without outriggers.  Also the centreboard goes through the deck in front of the cockpit so there is nowhere to sit.

I think it pushes the boat away from the original concept too much.  With my &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/news/woodworker-puts-plywood-canoe-together-in-4-hours/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quick Canoe&lt;/a&gt; design one of my customers uses a swimming pool bean bag chair to sit it and paddles with a single or double paddle.

For short distances I kneel and use a single blade paddle and Beth goes much better than most sailing dinghies under paddle power.  Won&#039;t stay with a properly shaped canoe though!

A paddle requires much less extra gear and doesn&#039;t intrude on the sailing space.

Hope this helps
Michael]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3658">Robert Troff</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Robert,</p>
<p><a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/design/beth-sailing-canoe/" rel="nofollow">BETH the sailing canoe</a> is too narrow to make a good rowing boat without outriggers.  Also the centreboard goes through the deck in front of the cockpit so there is nowhere to sit.</p>
<p>I think it pushes the boat away from the original concept too much.  With my <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/news/woodworker-puts-plywood-canoe-together-in-4-hours/" rel="nofollow">Quick Canoe</a> design one of my customers uses a swimming pool bean bag chair to sit it and paddles with a single or double paddle.</p>
<p>For short distances I kneel and use a single blade paddle and Beth goes much better than most sailing dinghies under paddle power.  Won&#8217;t stay with a properly shaped canoe though!</p>
<p>A paddle requires much less extra gear and doesn&#8217;t intrude on the sailing space.</p>
<p>Hope this helps<br />
Michael</p>
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		By: Robert Troff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Troff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone rig&quot; BETH&quot; sailing canoe to row places in between sailing experiences? I had a thought it would make a nice combo somehow... Centre-board case in the way? How about a seated arrangement which makes use of the aft end of the centre-board case in some way.
Hope to hear an answer. 
e-mail me anyone who has a mind to do so.
Thanks,
Robert Troff]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone rig&#8221; BETH&#8221; sailing canoe to row places in between sailing experiences? I had a thought it would make a nice combo somehow&#8230; Centre-board case in the way? How about a seated arrangement which makes use of the aft end of the centre-board case in some way.<br />
Hope to hear an answer.<br />
e-mail me anyone who has a mind to do so.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Robert Troff</p>
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		By: Michael Storer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Storer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3565&quot;&gt;Frank van Zoest&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Frank,

Thankyou for your comments.  A number of things on this page are experiments - over time we will find out what works best and the page will be updated.

The big thing that most don&#039;t realise is that the same lessons apply to lug and all traditional rigs as to all modern rigs.  The big advantage of many traditional rigs is the simplicity and cheapness - much less gear for adjustment.  It is nice to try and keep that.

The battens are something my clients wanted to try.  My approach during design was to assume the sail would be a little less efficient and increase the sail area to compensate.  I think a little more area is more beneficial and much cheaper than battens.

But I support my customers when they are doing sensible experiments like all the ones we are cataloguing here.

Nice to make contact.
Best wishes
Michael]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.storerboatplans.com/tuning/lug-rig-setup/test-for-google-docs/#comment-3565">Frank van Zoest</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Frank,</p>
<p>Thankyou for your comments.  A number of things on this page are experiments &#8211; over time we will find out what works best and the page will be updated.</p>
<p>The big thing that most don&#8217;t realise is that the same lessons apply to lug and all traditional rigs as to all modern rigs.  The big advantage of many traditional rigs is the simplicity and cheapness &#8211; much less gear for adjustment.  It is nice to try and keep that.</p>
<p>The battens are something my clients wanted to try.  My approach during design was to assume the sail would be a little less efficient and increase the sail area to compensate.  I think a little more area is more beneficial and much cheaper than battens.</p>
<p>But I support my customers when they are doing sensible experiments like all the ones we are cataloguing here.</p>
<p>Nice to make contact.<br />
Best wishes<br />
Michael</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank van Zoest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[great to see planing luggers. I very much agree on most of your recommendations, especially about the downhaul, which cant be strong enough. It means the luff must be reinforced with non-stretch rope, and I think 3 -5 mm dyneema is the easiest. Also a client of mine with a Tirrik and 10 m2 bal. lug capsized and we concluded his mast was relatively bendier than his yard. Consequently in a gust his sail bellied out and he capsized. Since than he built a stiffer mast.    And very good to see modern techniques like battened crosscut sails]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great to see planing luggers. I very much agree on most of your recommendations, especially about the downhaul, which cant be strong enough. It means the luff must be reinforced with non-stretch rope, and I think 3 -5 mm dyneema is the easiest. Also a client of mine with a Tirrik and 10 m2 bal. lug capsized and we concluded his mast was relatively bendier than his yard. Consequently in a gust his sail bellied out and he capsized. Since than he built a stiffer mast.    And very good to see modern techniques like battened crosscut sails</p>
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